shannan watts autopsy

It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. I dont believe this was planned because everyone says that its ridiculous that he buried them at his place of employment. In reading about this case it would never occur to me to smother somebody in such a fashion. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. She is OCD and very ritualistic in nature. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities released Monday the autopsy reports of Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3. Im wondering if he had bipolar. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. I expect they also make youtube channels of women doing things wrong to say why they hate women, even if men usually do more of those things, If he killed her downstairs how would there have been no movement on main floor shortly after she got home. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. I found nothing unusual with that part. And did you mention that the 6 weeks Shannan was in NC with her girls that your Hero Chris Watts was enjoying 6 weeks of being single with his girlfriend, and that was the turning point in their marriage? They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). He snapped and I was terrified of him. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. She was always busy. According to the arrest affidavit and footage from a security camera in the interview room, he failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed to murdering Shanann. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. I chose this thread that details the grisly aspects of the deaths to post it because, after reading the entire thing, it almost seems that there was an unrecognized accomplice in the Watts family murders. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. So yeah sigh! But think about it. No sign of that either. I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. The ground was visible disturbed. Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. Thats why the strangulation was gentle, not violent, as the hyoid was not broke, and there were no defensive wounds to her or him. What was Shananns cause of death? IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. (blood chokes, carotid restraints or sleeper holds) The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. Explains why Shanann didnt fight back. @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. October 3, 2018 / 12:35 PM / CBS Colorado. The children were accustomed to regularly taking medication; it would have been very simple for CW to simply give them a couple extra pills to swallow while they were relaxing watching TV after their dinner, and once they were sedated, wrap a plastic bag around their heads. . She had the girls in daycare full time to the tune of $500 a week, spending $28k a year per official documents, and this HAD to be a financial strain. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. He really thought he could get away with this? Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. So what Was his motivation for that? So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. Police reportsA photo of one of the girls. Which she combed over the menu trying to come up with that amount for one person. Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. @Karen. https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Does anyone know where I can view the autopsy pictures and/or videos? They manipulate, connive and plot. According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. Knowing that his neighbor had a camera, he has a reason to leave at that time. He had only a few friends. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. I bet there was no conversation. Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. Typo. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. The money was going somewhere, and the ultimate location all points to ShanAnn the expensive preschool for their girls while ShanAnn quit work to be a stay-at-home mom (she could have been taking care of them herself during the day instead of paying top dollar for strangers to); the Leona Helmsley-level of excessive expensive shoes; that trip to Arizona (which ShanAnn had to pay for) when they were in such a dire financial disaster (credit cards all maxxed out) in service to her MLM; the expensive leased car whose payments werent guaranteed to be paid by the MLM company; all those manicures (those aint cheap) and so on and so forth. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. Theres really not much to say about this, right? That is simply a common misconception/stereotype that is very harmful and untrue. He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. But thats me. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Throw it away? One body was face down in the south side of the tank. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. What about rigormortis?. Shanann is very OCD [McKenna Lindstrom, the babysitter]. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. I have a question. Lack of petechiae. Pee and Poo Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. He vacuumed twice a day. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. He may have sprung himself on her in the bathroom, came in after her and turned the light off or something, being an easier/tiled place to clean up any traces? Face? Like you, I was suspicious about the DAs assessment. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. You can see it in his eyes. I agree with you Jessica What information to that extent do you expect *an autopsy* to provide?? On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. Rude person. Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. Shanann is very OCD about organization and planned the entire wedding. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. It was on an automatic answering thing. ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. I think he snapped, pulled her off of Cece punched her in the face to knock her out and then strangled her with one hand. Thats why no defense wounds. He was all over the house. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. Shannan wasnt answering phone calls or text and missed her doctors appointment. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! Talk to first reponders or health care workers. I consider it strange to have them there (in preschool) FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO.. It was the early hours of the morning, she was pregnant, fed up with airport holdups and storms, and tired. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. Even more common with pregnant women. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! Because when he called her, he said, mom, they are searching the house. Why would he say that to her if she did not have prior knowledge? LEE: Depends on sometime we find saliva, large amount of saliva, nasal secretion, mixed with small amount of blood on the pillow. Chris said Shanann arrived home from a trip. I think thats what she did (shed had an extra 3 hours of airport to be rid of!) Hed let her snuggle him that morning. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. So what are you saying? Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. 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