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You might call it something different. Was this a group of people that you primarily put together, or is it bits and pieces of people that the Clintons had known. But also the role of the media had been changing a lot and that role I think manifested itself very vividly in the Clinton years. Before we come back to this, I want to pose one question and that is about the Presidents style when he was working the phones with members of the House. It was a very simple letter that was done up for me and I sent it to everybody saying, Just so you know, the RTC has only these procedural options in matters like this, and we will be reaching a decision on which of them to do before the statute of limitations expires. I want to be sure that there is a clear picture of that because he cant offer it himself. I also told him, which was quite a mistake, that I was thinking about recusing myself from the case because I realized that there was such a conflict here between being a member of the administration on one hand and being a Federal regulator on the other. Im Jim Young. Mr. Altman returned to Washington in 1993 to serve as Deputy Secretary of the U.S. Treasury for two years. I started having to respond with a standard boilerplate response to the effect that the RTC has these procedural options and we were choosing among them. The period during which Bentsens views werent treated with quite enough respect was a very short one. He seemed very tired, I remember that. You recently saw Secretary John Snow in a very studied fashion talk about, make an effort to ease the dollar down, we saw that on two different occasions, and I know how these things work. He does not see that as one of his own great accomplishments. If Whitewater occurred today or there was some like set of issues surrounding President Bush and his past, I dont think thered be a single hearing about it. But there sure was a lot of effort going into it. Because it promotes a lack of confidence in financial markets and, for that matter, a lack of confidence in the business community, a sense that that administration doesnt know what its doing. I referred to the Bert Lance affair when I was serving the Clinton administration, and in that case the controller of the currency, who is an independent regulator, was charged with looking into it and delivered a report that ultimately proved to be Bert Lances downfall. I should have realized I was stepping into a potential mine field but I didnt, although I do have to say that I called my lawyer and asked him if there was any reason I shouldnt take this and he said, Yes, there are about 200 reasons. Yes, Clinton was gregarious, obviously bright. Web(Studio: Charles Gibson) Earlier interview held with Evercore Partners Roger Altman about the House vote and the market reaction. Were there things about those campaigns that you had learned in preparation for this one that proved to be particularly helpful? Clinton of course had committed to that during the campaign and it made fiscal sense in the sense of there being so much economic slack. He managed to remain viable through New Hampshire. I was defeated in my effort to become student body president, as, interestingly, was Clinton. But anyway, in retrospect it was a very bad idea. Could you see at that point a set of priorities emerging with the candidate? So Mack played relatively little role in this. He must have had enough of a political antenna to realize this was going to be a tough call in a Democratic constituency in Pennsylvania or Michigan. I was exposed to that, but I didnt have a particular say in it. Youd seen him working with domestic policy issues and with members of Congress and support here. Lets hold off if we can just a couple of minutes before getting into the transition period and let me ask you a couple of questions about the campaign itself. Our labor leadership did not want that, especially of course, the Teamsters. He earned an A.B. He had a great time. Were there follow-up meetings with Japan that you were involved in after the summit? The social side of it had almost nothing to do with it. Andrew Garfield presented the Robert Altman Award at the 2022 Film Independent Spirit Awards to his old friend, Fran Kranz, for his film Mass. He talked about a middle-class tax cut and, of course getting the economy moving. It turned out to be the equivalent of walking the plank. Is this time for horse-trading? They were using very powerful weaponsI think .20 caliber weapons. One, every morning of course, there was the senior staff meeting at the White House. So my average day was spent a few blocks from here, working full-tilt on the business responsibilities I had. But apropos of my comments earlier that classic, unreconstructed liberalism had never been my cup of tea, I never identified with Mario Cuomo. Bill Clinton, by that one- or two-line standing, may not make the cut for the top tier. Rubin was well known as an economic conservative, and Bentsen, of course, had a very long legislative record, which was in the same direction. It really wasnt that way. So I spent a lot of time on healthcare. But I think he may turn out to have transformed the party, which really is an important historical achievement. Some of the things on the wish list made a lot of sense, but some of them didnt. You know, you call in for five minutes apiece and theyre all lined up. After all, thered been only two Democratic Presidents in the last 25 or 30 years and theyd both been southern Governors. And Bentsen did make the call. Im trying to get a sense of what their input to the whole process was. And, to some degree it was also, of course, for Clinton to take the measure of certain people he might be appointing. We had some serious issues with the IRS. I dont question the sincerity of every opponent. You didnt need to be a management consultant to see they werent well organized. And I also think that theres a certain sense of loyalty among the people that are currently serving in this administration, which is more in keeping with tradition, than the Clinton folks, or many of them I should say, brought to it. Well, there was, like most administrations, kind of a running shakeup. Yes. Of course, by November 94, many of the benefits of this program had not yet evolved. I worked very closely with Bob Kerrey, with Senator [Max] Baucus, who had such a problem with the gas tax. Well take a break for lunch here in just a minute, but I want to jump track and ask you one set of questions about your own responsibilities within Treasury. In some measure. If you think about it, it makes lots of sense. I would say it had to do with an overall perception that he was the most substantive and the best politician. You can have whatever conversations you want to have in private. Again, I had the benefit of Lloyd Bentsens views. Altman gave So the dynamic between the two was quite an interesting dynamic and quite quicklyto come to your pointafter the stimulus plan went down, Clinton began deferring to Bentsen on everything. I mean, its amusing in a certain sense, but of the hundred members of the Senate he probably talked on any kind of regular basis to about ten. So if Clinton and Burns ever had any conversations, they certainly didnt communicate, Im sure. Each day hed give a speech and mark off a day, counting down the days to the expiration of the statute of limitations and saying these people at the RTC damn well better be sure that justice is served, the Clintons arent off the hook. Toward the middle and latter stages they met everyday. He wouldnt call the others back; hed have me do that because when youre Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee and some freshman Senator called you, you didnt tend to talk to him. You would have thought Senator Bentsen would have felt that way also, unless there was an assumption that this was literally going to be a few weeks time. There ensued a quite Byzantine process, as has been so widely written about with multiple task forces and enormous numbers of people involved.There were a lot of these Bill Clinton-style meetings, great big long meetings with far too many people in the room. So it was a combination of an organized role. Definitely working on personnel. Remember, youre playing for four years, youre not playing for one year. He may have kicked it off in a certain sense, but it has continued even more strongly to some degree in the last couple of years, but that was another broad historical development, critical historical development, which characterized the Clinton period. If anything comes to mind that we havent talked about, that youd like to have included. This had been the thrust of the campaign, so expectations were very high that Clinton would come forward with a real economic program, a comprehensive program, and from the moment that all these folks were chosen the question was, what is that program going to be? No. That was absolutely true also of Secretary Brady and all of his people, couldnt have been more cooperative. Then, I was in Tokyo. Well, Theodore Roosevelt is a fascinating President, mostly by dint of his gargantuan personality and the way that he bestrode the country like some titanic figure. So essentially you would not have been involved in any of the crafting, I guess, you basically were given an agreement and it was a question of just lining up the votes at this point. They just called someone in the war room and they had an immediate answer or immediate access to whatever they needed. Bentsen tended to say very little at those meetings except at the end, when Clinton would turn to Bentsen and say, What would you do, Lloyd? My point is, I thought the whole discussion had a considerable impact on Clinton, as did scores of others along the way after that. Sure. I was often at the National Economic Council meetings that deliberated on those. David Gergen was brought, which I think was probably the fall of 93 and Panetta replaced Mackthat was an awfully big event, of course. No, I dont remember that effort at all, so it must have been pretty quiet. It traces to Clintons legendary wonkishness. Ive read a lot of whats been written about the healthcare plan, its all there. I think my point is slightly different. Well, I recall particularly how weak the field was. You had that, and then the legislative group, meaning Howard Paster and his counterparts from Treasury and Commerce and so forth, would meet every afternoon. I view that as a very unfortunate decision the Democrats made, but that was a new low, or a new high, however you look at it, in partisanship. That ostracism certainly hasnt afflicted the Clinton alumni. I think that had to do with the actual signing of the treaty. No, I was responding to a question about economic policy. Clinton was here, and Mrs. Clinton. In part, there was a sectoral approach. Who was the coordinator, if any, in the first follow up? I think as a general matter the perception, which has become the accepted wisdom, of those dueling camps, is much overstated. But it was a rather fluid, floating group. I think Clinton recognized that, by virtue of his being an outsider in Washingtonhe never served in Washingtonhe needed a link to the Congress, a really superb link, of the type that Bentsen afforded, especially since Clintons first priorities were economics.The Senate Finance Committee was going to be, more than any other single place, where the action was. You should have asked me about the vote, unless youve already talked to enough people about it. A lot of funny things were happening. The difficulties that you had were primarily generated by Congressional investigators then, rather than the independent counsel. He was shot eight times, mostly in the chest. I dont think thats a very good answer to your question, but I dont think I have a better one. So the question in part was: Are you going to really drive forward with an aggressive trade agenda for this administration or not? Then when Ross Perot entereddeficit reduction was a theme of the [Paul] Tsongas campaign if I remember correctly; then later Ross Perot, entitlement reform, whatever that might mean; free trade and issues of economic relations with Japan; and I think one of the candidates[Bob] Kerrey?had a health insurance plank, is that right? But everybody felt such a part of it because they were sitting right there. No, I dont remember the actual moment when we met. So I guess wed like to hear the story about your involvement in both cases, focusing on your relationships with members of Congress, how the division of labor was, your relationships with the. I was very involved in it but I was notspending probably two-thirds of my time on it. So by the time I had to do it again I wasnt particularly concerned. But its interesting to put it into perspective. The first vote on one of Clintons issues was a defeat, which presaged a lot of the weakness that then afflicted him during 1993. One, the recession of 91 and early or mid 92, the economy was performing poorly. So if you survey the 50 most senior people who ever served in the Clinton administration, about 25 of them will say welfare reform was a great triumph for the President, about 25 of them will say he just caved. For example, much has been made of the dueling camps, the deficit hawks versus the populists. I believe Greenspan went to Little Rock. So you wouldnt have had any involvement on Capitol Hill or anything like that at the time? And it turned around and by November 84 as you remember, it was Morning in America and he won 49 states. The process was really quite intense and they were taking on a task that was utterly immense, a much bigger one really than the economic program, and came forth with a plan that was revolutionary, but whose revolutionariness doomed it. No, its time for Russell, I really need this, I really need it, the country really needs it. The Office of Government Ethics came to its conclusion and the Treasury Inspector General as you know is an independent party and came to the same conclusions, the White House counsel came to the same conclusion. No. One of the things that you mentioned that was in your portfolio was selling the budget package. I didnt do any work on personnel until Secretary [Lloyd] Bentsen was designated Treasury Secretary. I also think it is wrong politically. That was the moment, that day. The politics of Oklahoma. So I wasnt sure what was going to happen, but there was no one in the field that was suddenly squashing everyone else including Clinton. Secretary Bentsen was too important and had other things to do than to go down to Waco, Texas, and try to figure out what was going on there. But most of my time was spent on legislation. So I was going down to Waco, Texas. So I knew early on, but only because Lloyd Bentsen was in effect telling me. I mean, I saw a lot of the two of them and I became quite friendly with Hillary, and by the time I left the administration was actually much more friendly with Hillary than I was with the President, even though ironically Id obviously known him first. So there wasnt all that much time, maybe ten days, twelve days, between opening the office, showing up down there and then having the Treasury Secretary and the rest of the members of the economic team chosen. Carter had the famous $50 rebate, which became the object of much derision ultimately. I knew what the ATF was, but not much more than that. I can vote against it, tell my constituents Ill never support a tax increase. Pretty difficult to make major progress in that context. From that time forward, about 79 times out of 80 Clinton did whatever Bentsen said. Actually, each White House that I was familiar with had its own version of what we called the National Economic Council, and if you look back for example, during the Nixon and Ford administrations, they had something quite similar. I mean, there are libraries full of books that have already been written about that. So I think Clintons own behavior did play a role in it and that in retrospect there would have been better ways for Clinton to have dealt with some of these things. But absent such a crisis, history tends not to treat you as a great President. Thats how politics works. So, when it came to answering Congressman Smiths questions, or Senator Jones questions, we were able to get those answers up there within two hours because we had all the people right in the room. Who the key players were and so forth. If you look at the history of American reform, at that scale of change, usually you have a little bit more consensus than a 43 percent electoral. Luck plays a big role in politics, and he was really lucky that a number of candidates who could have been very strong ones chose not to run. No. You didnt have to spend a lot of time with Lloyd Bentsen to know that he wasnt going to be shunted aside. I mean, it was a larger package as it was originally conceived and then. But from the outside, one of the notable departures of that administration, and I think it began very early, was the cordial deference paid toward the Federal Reserve Board. Well, how do you know? Abraham Lincoln saved the union. Were there any big-picture elements that you wanted to put into the puzzle right now or should we just go ahead and break and we can pick up with some of the specifics on these things? A lot of people wanted to work on Capitol Hill or think tanks or with interest groups. What did you find on the ground when you got there, if I could? Things like, I cant remember what example we used, but Senator X voted for us because he was afraid hed have to have lunch with the President again, things like that. So by the time 93 was over, he was not doing well. In the first two years of the Clinton administration, they had about four Prime Ministers, pretty hard to get anywhere in that circumstance. Secretary Bentsen took a lot of heat not long after being sworn in saying hed like to see a stronger yen, and that touched off a lot of controversy. It was a successful fundraiser. Once again, were grateful for your time. So its funny how reality quickly returns. I think part of him saw an embrace of NAFTA as an opportunity to reestablish that he was a person of conviction, that he wasnt just in the pocket of the old traditional Democratic constituencies, wasnt just a tax-raiser and spender. How do you think Clinton ultimately is going to be read by historians, this Presidency? That was the day the earth moved and Clintons view changed. He may be forever seen in the middle. The Republicans in the Senate especially, led by Senator [Alfonse] DAmato who was Chairman of the Banking Committeeno, he was ranking minority member, became Chairman after the election of 94. There were some folks from the White House Press Secretarys office who were in it. Hes chancellor of the Board of Education of New York, hes a good friend of mine, and I had dinner with him about a month ago and I said, Does it make any difference who the President is as far as youre concerned? We talked a little bit about the fundraising elements. Chrystia Freeland, Financial Times US managing editor, interviewed Roger Altman, co-CEO of Evercore Partners. Tulip Brenner (Carol Burnett) tells off her sister-in-law (Peggy Ann Garner) in Robert Altman's "A Wedding." Of course, there was Leon Panetta, and Bob Rubin and Lloyd Bentsen, Alice Rivlin, Laura Tyson, myself, Gene Sperling, those were really the main members. Altman donated $41,000 to the Biden Action Fund, a joint fundraising committee, in May, according to Federal Election Commission records. There was a whole bunch of work going on on that but I was completely preoccupied with the Presidents economic program and trying to get it passed, not just during the war room period but before that. Its really quite stunning. So the fact that if we were sitting here in 2053, that a President 54 years ago balanced the budget wouldnt mean a heck of a lot to us, right? and I said, I just want to serve.Im not going to give you a speech about why I should be Secretary of the Treasury. He was fully free to say no to that. If were talking about 1991, I think his ideas were in formation. In retrospect, a limited, very grudging change. Exactly. But by historians. 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